Dec. 30, 2016

1.      Thank you so much Raj for taking time out of your busy schedule to talk. Yours is an inspiring life - right from social activism to avant-garde novel writing. What inspires you, in life and in literature?


My childhood was in a leprosy hospital where my father worked as a wage earner. We lived inside the compound of the huge hospital. I spent all my time, except my school time and playing time with the European and Indian sisters who managed the lepers. I used to see my father spending all his time amidst the lepers. The sisters used to clean the wounds of the lepers without a slight reaction in their faces. I used to wonder why and how they did this. I never tried to find an answer to my questions. People who used to visit the hospital always asked me what I wanted to become in life. I said, “I want to help people as the sisters do.” When I finished my studies and wanted to think of my future I only thought of the poor. During my studies I was an ardent researcher on Karl Marx. I read more books other than text books. I was an avid reader of books. I joined a human rights organization in Bangalore and then when Jyothi married me we decided to continue the same line of work in the rural areas of Karnataka leaving Bangalore.


Reading was the best passion I had in life. I was a singer, a sportsman, a dramatist. I was a person of multiple talents but reading of books overtook all of them. I worked on a meagre salary. The first thing I did was to ride to a bookshop in Bangalore and buy whatever books I didn’t have on Marxism and social sciences. At the end of the month, occasionally I used to go without food. But I loved books all the way.


I started with writing on Philosophy and Politics and branched off to Psychology and Spirituality. Some of my friends from the Netherlands insisted that I should write my autobiography as by then I could showcase my achievements in the rural areas of Karnataka. I am, by nature, very shy and could not gather myself to write my own story. Therefore, I decided to write my life as a novel. Thus started my initiation into fiction writing. 


2.      You are a prolific writer with 25 books out of which 8 are work of fiction. And yet you relentlessly work for human rights. How do you balance it?


This is a question that many of my friends in India and abroad ask me. I ask them in return as to how many hours they have on a day. They say 24 hours. I then say that I have 28 hours every day. In surprise they ask, “how?’ I say that I borrow four hours from the next day and make my day 28 hours. Time is what we make and not what someone has determined. The cosmos has no time. It is eternal.


As for balancing, writing fills me with energy and my work fills me with more energy. I never run short of energy for doing many things simultaneously.  



3.      Tell us something about your organisation REDS that you run along with your wife Jyothi.


REDS is a people’s organization that my wife Jyothi and I initiated. Jyothi got into full time national social engagement as a high school student. We combined Marxism and the Pedagogy of the Oppressed to work among the poor which later turned into a battle against untouchability and the development of the Adijan people. At the psychological level we opted for Karl Jung’s approach of concentrating on latent strength and rejected Sigmund Freud’s approach of focusing on weaknesses. The people were euphoric when they unearthed their hidden strength as their own.

Besides the empowerment work that REDS does, we also spent a lot of energy on global warming mitigation. We succeeded to register a CDM (Clean Development Mechanism) project with the UNFCCC and entered into carbon trading at the international level. We have provided solar lamps to about 50,000 families in Karnataka. I did research on the electoral systems of Germany, Norway, New Zealand, the Netherlands and Nepal and started a Campaign for Electoral Reforms in India (CERI). But our daily work has a lot to do with land reclamation. We have till now, reclaimed 11,902.25 acres of land. We also do a lot of lobbying and advocacy work on land.

4.      How do you view present political and social scenario in terms of welfare of Adijan?   


After the rise of the BJP on the horizon of governance, the future of Adijans in this country looks very dim. Not that the Congress was any better, but there was the space to leverage. All the same, Adijans and Adivasis are only vote banks and not citizens with equal rights. This is the tragedy of India. This will continue to be so as long as the present First Past the Post (FPTP) electoral system continues in India. We are mental slaves of the British system. Adijan leadership is the mental slave of the caste leaders. Franz Fanon has said that the ultimate aim of the Black is to become White. It can easily be said about the Adijan leadership. The strong conditioning of the Adijan mind set by reservation is another major malady. The conversion of Ambedkar to Buddhism is a regressive path in Adijan liberation. There are multiple problems that beset the onward march of Adijans from within the community and from the caste system and caste oligarchies. It is here that we have offered Dalitology as a path breaking alternative to liberation. We have succeeded with this approach of own history and culture.


5.      What message would you like to convey to aspiring writers?


Every writer is unique and does not need any advice. Each writer must follow only what he/she thinks best and not follow anyone’s advice or message.


6.      What is feminism for you? How important are women rights when we talk of social equality


I hesitate to write anything in the name of feminism as women as the best to write about it. Men should only live as feminists and not say anything about it. However, all my fictions are women centric. The book of philosophy that I wrote led to the conclusion that only when women begin to govern the world, we shall be able to see semblance of justice and equality. Well, I love women. At ta personal level, I draw much energy for my life and work from the village women. When I go to the villages the women gather around Jyothi and me and begin to sing and bless us. When they touch us from head to feet as a blessing I can feel energy physically flowing into my body. I generally never become tired of work. It is because of this replenishing of my body with the energy of our Adijan women in the villages. For the rest, women are the best judges of the life of the world.  



Dec. 30, 2016

Adijan history and culture are filled with inclusion, resilience, primacy of women and nonviolence : M C Raj

In Conversation with M C Raj



M C Raj is acclaimed social reformer in Karnataka. With many national initiatives to his credit he has been spearheading impactful work for the development of Dalits whom he calls Adijans through the Adijan Panchayat Movement, for global warming mitigation through a CDM Gold Standard project, and a major national campaign for Proportional Representation system in India. M C Raj is an intellectual who has been inspiring many people not only with his new social vision but also with his innovative approaches of social engagement. A prolific writer, Raj has written many books, fictions, theoretical and ideological positioning of the aadijans. In this conversation, he explains his views on Dalit cultural identity issues and the future of the Aadjians. Raj is well read and has his own perceptions about many things and in this candid conversation he has spoken without keeping them in his heart. Hope this conversation will raise the debate on caste identities and culture in a positive way. Vidya Bhushan Rawat in conversation with M C Raj.


VB:  Raj, when are we expecting your next novel? What is it all about ? Despite all your busy schedule, you have been consistently writing. What is the source of your energy?


MC: There are two novels out for publication. One is Lapsang Cha and the other is The Daughters of Janasthan. The former is with a Hollywood producer and publisher and the latter is with my Literary Agent.


Lapsang  Cha


It’s a science fiction based on a development from 2005. It’s based on the science of Optogenetics. Not many would have heard of it as it’s a recent scientific development. Optogenetics aims at intruding into the nerves, genes and brain cells of animals through optical waves and control the behavior of animals. I have stretched my imagination to the human realm. What will happen to the world if scientists succeed and if the same is transferred to human beings? To make it a real fiction, I have created a plot of a conflict among the American and the Chinese scientists and CIA.



The Daughters of Janasthan


This is a story of Sita, Soorpanaka, and Mandodri. On the sidelines are Ravan and Ram. This novel takes a radically critical look at the epic of Ramayan.


I enjoy thinking and writing. My body is replenished with fresh energy when I write. Moreover, the success rate of our work among the poor and the Adijans keep our energy level going. The central source of our energy is our visits to the villages. In village after village the women make Jyothi and me sit and all the women sing songs and bless us. Each one showers flowers and rice on us and touch us from head to feet as a blessing. I feel physical energy passing through all the cells in my body. When I come back I brim with more life and energy. My day is generally for the people and visitors and my night is for writing and reading.


VB:  What do you consider yourself: an ideologue, an activist or a fiction writer?


MC: I consider myself as a healthy combination of all the three and many more. I try not to compartmentalize my being into different sections. I try to harmonize my existence with the rhythm of the cosmos in as much as it’s possible for a human being. I am basically a philosopher. It runs through my action and fiction.


VB: You build up a big Dalit Panchayat movement in Tumkur ? What was the idea? Were these Dalit Panchayats duly elected or were they parallel to elected Panchayats? 


MC: The terrible oppression and violence that the Adijans face from the dominant caste people led us to a serious and collective analysis of why it was happening unabated. We saw clearly that the epicenter of power was concentrated on the traditional caste Panchayats.  Internal conflict resolution, political participation, economic development, and social life of the Adijans (Dalits) were controlled by the caste Panchayats.  It happens even today. The constitution of India is a virtual paper tiger. What bares its teeth on the daily lives of the Adijans is the caste Panchayat. It virtually subverts the constitution. Fighting for the benefits of reservation becomes meaningless though it still remains a significant need in India.


We decided to initiate the Adijan Panchayat Movement as an alternative to the oppressive caste Panchayats. All Adijan families in every village would form the Adijan Panchayat, resolve their internal problems without taking them to the caste Panchayat, would select their candidates for local body elections and would select the beneficiaries  of government  development  programmes. Our organization would support them with capacitation and external lobbying. The backbone of this movement would be the Adijan culture and history. 


Adijan Panchayat is not a parallel to the elected panchayats but has effectively enhanced more meaningful participation of Adijans in elections, especially in Gram Panchayat elections.


VB: You do not belong to Karnataka and yet the people of Tumkur have given you their love and support. When and how did you develop this strong relationship with the community here?


MC: I did my studies in Bangalore. We came to Tumkur in 1984. All that we knew was to love the poor. Jyothi got involved in social issues as a high school student. I hailed from the premises of a leprosy hospital in Tuticorin, where my father worked as a daily wage earner. My role models were the European and Indian sisters who dedicated their lives to the lepers. Later I combined my love for the poor with a strong addiction to Marxian ideology. People tested us of our commitment to them. They made sure that our actions were congruent with our words. Once they made sure of our truthfulness they were ready to give their life for us. With every successful struggle their confidence in us soared high.


It’s not simply love that’s in question. The oppressed psyche is constantly on the look out for a symbol of their liberation. It does not accept anyone who claims to be such a symbol. It knows innately and intuitively who can effectively represent their aspirations and negotiate with the oppressors on their behalf. We are happy that we fit the bill of the people on this score. We are happy that we were able to combine it with a bit of charisma that is an essential ingredient of the liberation symbol. Our engagement with the society on behalf of the poor was not born out of an academically designed strategy. We developed our strategies of development organically as we learned at the feet of our people. This helped the people to own their development efforts.


VB: You along with Jyoti have been engaged in the land rights movement of Dalits in Tumkur. Could you please throw some light on it.  I mean, how do you promote land rights of the Dalits  and where does woman stand in the entire legal and ideological frame work ? As a community person do you support the idea of community ownership over the individual titles which many in the indigenous people's movement have been speaking for years.


MC: Initially we got involved in regaining the lost land of individual members of the Adijan Panchayats. Such success led to entire villages taking up huge land struggles. But the government would approve land only for individuals.  We employed street fights, lobbying with the bureaucracy, direct negotiations with the landlords and court cases. We have till now recovered 11,902.20 acres of land.


Simultaneously, we demanded policy decisions from the government to distribute 5 acres of land to all Adijan families. Later we broadened it to all landless families in India. When it came to lobbying and Advocacy we joined hands with other major networks like the Ekta  Parishad.


We are happy that we were able to bring about quite a few policy decisions in Karnataka. Strong support from the bureaucracy of Karnataka helped us too on the road to success.


There was a time when we initiated the idea of community ownership. But it remained only an idea as most people were either landless or had lost their land. Our priority was to retain the recovered land in the hands of the Adijans and other poor. We have a long way to go to even take the first step toward community ownership of land.


VB: Apart from working with the people, you have been defining ideological positions of what you describe Aadijan people. Are the Aadijans same as Dalits ? If not then what is the difference in addressing them as Dalits or aadijans ?


MC: We arrived at the Adijan identify after extensive reflections and discussions for many years. This was a consequence of building a resurgent culture of assertion and celebration. Very positively and creatively we unearthed the latent strength of the Adijan poor and built the Movement on their strength. We dismissed the Freudian path of focusing on the removal of weaknesses. Instead we took recourse to the Jungian approach of scientifically identifying the strengths of the Adijans one by one. It led to greater and bigger success of the Adijan struggles for entitlements and land rights. An inevitable sidekick was the permeation of a greater sense of dignity. A receiving people gradually became a giving people contributing generously to their development out of the meager resources they had. A new self-image of a celebrating people emerged.


Such resurgence made the identity of a broken people (Dalit) redundant. Coupled with this was the cry from a few communities in India to give up the Dalit identity. Being oppressed is historical. But, to say that we are a broken people amounts to giving an undue credit to the forces of caste hegemony. Dalit represents what has happened to us from others. Adijan represents what we are from the beginning. It is internal. We delayed announcing it for many years not to create any confusion. When we found the time ripe we made an announcement.



VB: As an ideologue you have defined the history of Dalit movement in a different way where culture play an important part. You have always proudly mentioned the Dalit culture and its glorified history but in the modern Ambedkarite discourse the focus is on delinking from the past which was always considered as subjugated and brahmanical hierarchical. Does your position contradict Ambedkarite position on this issue?


MC: If Ambedkar saw Adijan history as a subjugated history, then I must say that his view was jinxed. Being subjugated is only one side of history. Ambedkar refused to see the strength of his people. Like many NGOs of today he could not wage a battle in society if he saw the brighter side of the Adijans. That’s why he could not sustain his negotiation on separate electorate. Instead he surrendered to the idea of reserved seats. Pathos and ghetto are strong tools at the hands of Adijan leaders to promote themselves.


Dominant communities don’t want to focus on culture and history because these are smeared with violence and blood. They don’t want the rest of the world and their children to know their history. What will they show as their culture? But Adijan history and culture are filled with inclusion, resilience, primacy of women and nonviolence.  We should have the courage to take these to the negotiating tables as our innate strength. Being educated in Western universities, it is possible that Ambedkar subscribed to the dominant ideas of history and culture.


If we look at Adijan leaders like Mangooram, Ayyankali, Muthukuttyswamy, Sri Kumara Gurudevan, Sri Narayana  Guru  etc. who have laid tangible paths of liberation have based their efforts on history and culture. Ignoring culture and history by oppressed indigenous communities will lead to subjugation. Thus in an effort to liberate the Adijans from subjugation, intellectuals like Ambedkar may have subconsciously paved the path for their postmodern subjugation. It’s unfortunate. Looking at Ambedkar as the only icon of Adijan liberation undermines other Adijan leaders of greater worth. Forgetting history will obliterate precious lessons and ideology that they cherished. Perhaps it’s what the dominant caste forces want to happen.


VB: What is your ideological difference with Baba Saheb Ambedkar's embracing Buddhism? Do you subscribe to the views which many have articulated that Dalits had their own religion and need not to go to Buddhism or do you feel religion is not that important at all in people's life? How different is your position from that of say Ravidasis, Valmikis and aadidharmis as each one of them want to keep their identity as separate?


MC: Much before Buddha arrived on the scene Adijan people practiced nonviolence.  Buddha and Gandhi appropriated it from the Adijans. The Adijans didn’t have a formal religion. But they had their belief system and worship. It was a cosmic religion based on the essential belief of the cosmos being the ultimate. There was no belief in a divine being as a person. They believed in cosmic powers. Later it developed into a fertility cult based on the belief of the earth being the mother of all beings. There was also a strong reverence and worship of the ancestors. It clearly shows that the Adijans were proud of the legacy left by their ancestors. If people are proud of their history and culture, who are the ‘Dalit’ leaders to say that we do not need them? One may identify this belief and practice of Adijans as Shamanism.


Just as Charvaka, Buddha too borrowed his atheism and nonviolence from the ancient Shamanism of the Adijans. Buddhism is only an extension of Hinduism, either glorious or rebellious. Hinduism’s philosophical trajectory is Karma, Samsara, and Swarga. Buddhism’s philosophical trajectory is Karma, Samsara and Nirvana. Buddhism is different from Hinduism only on the question of Swarga. Buddha’s nirvana is once again borrowed from the Adijan’s cosmism. In his later avatar, Buddha was only a primitive Shankaracharya.


In my perception Ambedkar made a serious mistake of converting to Buddhism, taking the Adijans to a path that belongs to the caste forces. RSS accepts the conversion of Adijans into Buddhism with a glee. We have historical evidence that conversion to any religion is a regressive path. Conversion has led only to a double subjugation. Ambedkar has definitely misread the implications of conversion.  


The viable alternative is a strong assertion by the Adijans that we Adijans are Adijans. It will naturally lead to the collective discovery of common culture and history. I have expatiated the nuances of recovering history and culture in my books, Dalitology, Cosmosity, Dalithink and Dyche.


VB:  Today, Dalits are under various threats. Poona pact sealed their fate as the political leadership of the day is not responding the way it should have. Campaign for Electoral Reform in India ( CERI) revived the old debate of Proportionate representation. Where is the campaign at the moment and how have been the responses of political parties particularly those claiming to represent Baba Saheb Ambedkar's ideology?


MC : The CERI campaign is on low ebb because of my illness. That’s a statement of the state of affairs. There’s a lethargy set in with the thumping victory of the BJP in the last elections. Most political parties, both national and regional, subscribe to the idea of proportional representation in the way we have proposed in our policy document. The biggest hitch at the moment is taking up the issue in the Parliament. The parties have to be brought together to agree on the one national party that will move the issue at the Indian parliament. Even as I planned for two national conferences to achieve this, came my illness and for some more time it will not be possible for me to travel. The core group members of CERI are carrying on the campaign at their state level. We have a long way to go.


VB: World over religious rights are intimidatingly dominating the political discourse as Minorities and marginalised are out of their agenda. From Modi to Trump is the victory of a failed system which allow extremist view point to get people's approval. How are we going to face such a crisis today? If India's vote was against the Dalits and minorities last time, Americans seems to have reacted against the blacks?


MC: As you rightly point out, the world is passing through a particular phase in history where fascism is gaining an upper hand in governance. My hope is that such a trend will be carried on to an intolerable level and the ‘other’ world will begin to strike back at the ruling forces. The foundation for the present state of affairs was systematically laid at the beginning of the 16thcentury. Capitalism has consolidated the spread of its tentacles. It’s not any more the battle of any one people. It’s going to be a global revolution. Philosophers have to keep on churning out alternative vision of the world. Politicians from below need to strategize and choose the best option. Campaigners and activists should be ready to sacrifice their ego and their life to translate a collective global vision into revolutionary action. All these are possible if the indigenous women take up the leadership. At the moment all those who are concerned should begin to speak and write about alternative discourses.  When there are more and more of such discourses the threads of a common action will emerge. All of us will have to be in a hurry but be hopeful and patient.


VB:  You have been talking about the Dalit Panchayats a lot. What in your opinion should be the ideological position of Dalits towards the new market economy or what our prime minister called 'e-wallet' or cashless economy?



MC: Narendra Modi is the antithesis of development. He is the best agent of the agent state under the garb of nation state. Adijans and Adivasis are already paying a heavy price to sustain this perverted economic mindset. We must appreciate those Adijans who have made inroads into the world of capital. But they will fail if their economic capitalism is not coupled with a social capital. The Black people can be a good lesson for Adijans and Adivasis on this. The leverage to create and expand ‘own’ spaces within the capitalist world should be strengthened. It will require strong vision and deep rooting in the community so that the benefits that accrue will go to the people.


The largely recognized capital that Adijans have is their labor. Therefore, there needs to be a heavy focus on labor economy. It has to come from Adijan intellectuals. Recognizing the value of Adijan and Adivasi labor as well as rewarding labor both by the government and the private sector is of paramount importance. Adijans have to make their labor the biggest bargaining leverage. For example, in the agricultural field and in the sanitation industry, if Adijans strike work demanding their due the country will have to bow down and accede to their demand. In the railways, if Adijans refuse to do scavenging, the country is going to stink up to the doors of the White House.


The less said about e-wallet the better. I am thinking of the poor in the rural India. The entire design seems to be to exclude the rural masses from the developing economy. Is this what Modi promised? Perhaps it is what he had in mind, that he should design economy to the greatest benefits of his friends in high places. I am sure that Modi must go if the poor in this country have to survive.


VB: Past 20 years, we have seen growing trend of acquiring lands of the Dalits and aadivasis in the name of development. The first generational land reform did not happen. There was land redistribution but it remained highly unequal and unfair. The state apparatus did not implement it in letter and spirit of the constitution. Now, we need more highways, more corporations and so land is being acquired without asking people of what they want. Shouldn't we challenge the current 'developmental' module which is based on destruction of people, environment and ecology?


MC: From the time of India’s independence we have been going through the contradictions of development. We had no dearth of promises to gain the votes of the poor. Once the elections were over, people in governance only became busy at distributing land among themselves. India is a very strange country where even people have no understanding of the value of constitutional governance. The caste forces don’t want constitutional governance. We conveniently blame Modi for fascism. But it is important to recognize that Indian citizens in general are fascists. Those who fight against fascism are branded as anti-nationals. This explains why even before Modi came on the scene Indian society remained largely fascist. Caste fascism keeps corroding the Indian society from inside. As it happens in all dominant societies, the poor, Adijans, Adivasis and minorities are the ones who have to pay a heavy price for this anomaly. 


VB: The economic policies that we followed are taking India towards private corporations where the responsibility of the state would be minimum. State has withdrawn from health. It is getting out of education as the more and more private companies are investing in hospitals and education with high fee. Reservation has virtually become redundant now. How do we fight against such onslaught of the private corporations on public resources?


MC: This is not an India specific problem. It is a global design. As you are aware, democracy, governance and the state developed along with capitalism from the time of enlightenment or as a result of enlightenment. They were designed to serve a specific purpose of the ruling class of the capitalist societies. After four centuries, the state began to outlive itself and now we are at a phase of a slow de-stating of the state. There is a redesigning of the state. The present character of the state will go through a metamorphosis to the greater advantage of the ruling classes. The state is expected to shun its development responsibility. Only those who are capable of paying for their development will be respected as citizens in this redesigned state. One should make a clear distinction between protectionism and the responsibility of the state to protect the interests of the citizens. Therefore, it is a stark contradiction and blatant double speaking that Modi has come to power on the plank of development. He knows that he is hoodwinking the people. He knows the real model of the state in the postmodern democracy. Withdrawal of the welfare state is gradually becoming an accomplished fact, accompanied by strong protectionism of vested interests of caste groups. An ignorant citizenry is the best bet for the rulers. American and Indian citizens are the best political playgrounds for rulers like Trump and Modi.


We need to discuss reservation as a separate thesis as there are multiple internal and external factors that deserve to be analyzed threadbare. Reservation has become the anti-thesis of Adijan development in the sense that the governments and the caste society wash off their responsibility by making 17.5% available to SC/ST. Once it is done Adijans are never allowed to go beyond this 17.5%. Most Adijans also are happy with this provision and become lethargic. Thus reservation has become not a ‘reserved’ benefit but a reserved slavery.


VB: The Hindutva is posing the biggest threat to Dalits. They are dictating today as what is our culture. Our food habits are being challenged. Hundreds of incident of public flogging, lynching and socio-economic boycotts have come in public domain particularly that of Dalits and Muslims due to their menial work of skinning dead cows or picking them up. One idea was like what happend in Gujarat after Una incident where Dalits have decided not to engage in the traditional occupation but then what is the alternative. We all will shout one day but go away. There seems to be no positive socio economic agenda. Your experience from Tumkur is an example of bringing the positive energy and creating a much better alternative for future. How do you perceive the future could be ?


MC: Just think of this, Rawat. If there are about five thousand small communities in India that are internally strengthened with a strong constitution of not impinging on the rights of other communities, Hindutva will be on the run. This is what we are proposing and doing in the Adijan Panchayat Movement. We know that India is not one country.


All communities must have a system of internally governing themselves through democratically derived norms. Based on this strength they should elect a national government through proportional representation system. It will lead to hard negotiations and peaceful co-existence with deep respect for differences in each community. When this happens, no religion will be able to hold a sway over people. Nationalism will assume stronger connotation of peaceful co-existence in this context.


It will require a lot of homework and deeper reflection on the part of the communities. Sanity of approach can be achieved through community education. We shall become a country of million gardens with millions of flowers in millions of colors. This is not at all utopian. It is possible if one has a serious look at the Tumkur model.   


VB: What is the best way to bring various Dalits, aadivasis, Muslims and other communities together to fight against the menace of Hindutva ? We all know who are the victims of brahmanical system in India but is not it important for us to also describe what could be our idea of India ? I felt Dr Ambedkar has given that through the preamble of the constitution and in many of his writings but our political class is still unable to take it further?


MC: The First Past the Post electoral system that is a British legacy is for the politicians. The Proportional Representation system that is now implemented in 89 democracies is for the citizens. It is one thing to have a beautiful constitution. It is another thing to implement the same on behalf of the citizens. Having failed in his demand for separate electorate the next best thing Ambedkar could have and should have done was to agree for PR system in the constituent Assembly. By opting for FPTP he has sealed the fate of the Adijans, Adivasis, MBCs and Minorities for a long time to come. Now these communities should come together first to fight for PR system and then make the best use of the PR system to gain their political leverage. On this question they have to watch out against the shenanigans of political parties as well as their own political leaders for whom FPTP offers short-term benefits.


VB: Dr Ambedkar has always emphasised that without encouraging women in our structure our movement can not grow. Jyotiba Phule encouraged Savitri Bai Phule who took the torch and revolutionised the movement but when we see the Dalit Bahujan movement women face lots of problems, resistance from the male counterparts. Most of the decision making places where people address the communities, are, 'all men's club', which is seriously disturbing. You have seen many movements and can better analyse for us so that the movement is benefitted. 


MC: Women are being spoken about for the survival of men and for the legitimacy of male dominance. History has shown sufficiently enough that men have spoken in flowing terms of women’s equality only to camouflage their male dominance. I see Jyothiba Phule and Kanshiram as noble exceptions to this male trend. Men are not the right people to bring about women’s equality. It should be women. Men should simply sit back and watch women take the reins of governance without sitting on judgment seats in any way. I have no faith in any men leaders who speak of women’s equality.


The need is to focus on the primacy of women. It is a strong value foundation of the indigenous communities including Adijan community. It is unfortunate that most of these communities have blindly aped patriarchal societies. Male celebrities of these communities have done precious little for the primacy of their women.


It is one of the reasons why I give much focus on history and culture. Adijan communities in general and most of the Adivasi communities have a culture of family governance by women. Modern men have appropriated much of these capacities from women and have led the community to indignity and penury. It is Adijan men who have allowed untouchability, slavery of their communities, have supported the deprivation of education for their children, have let themselves into bonded labor etc. If Adijan communities still survive it is because of the capacity of their women to sustain the family. Adijan communities have survived a bit not because of their men but despite their men.


Through the revival of own history and culture it is possible for Adijan women to take back the reins of family and community governance. Men from these communities should tender an apology to their women and sit back in silence believing in the wisdom of their women.  Women are the biggest harbinger of hope to an intolerant and violence torn world.


VB: Many activist feel that your work 'Dalitology' try to glorify superstition and irrationality in the name of 'culture'. How do you respond to those fears of Ambedkarites who feel that culture gave nothing, a position that Baba Saheb has taken and that is why gave a call to come out of the brahmanical Hindu practices?


MC: Let’s get this right. I’ve come across some such people. When I question them further I come to know that they have only heard of Dalitology from others but have not read it themselves. It becomes difficult for me to carry on any meaningful dialogue with those who have not read a book. Dalitology and Dyche are major documents for the future of Adijan development. On the need for history and culture I have already said a few things in this interview and don’t want to repeat them. It is Christianity, Hinduism and now Buddhism that are promoting superstition. Culture provides the value system for governance. This is accepted by many rational philosophers.


If you go back a little to the mechanism of colonization you realize that the first thing the colonizers did among the indigenous people was to destroy their culture and their cultural symbols. They knew for sure that the indigenous people were bound together by their cultural values and governed themselves strongly. Destroying their culture would break their backbone and pave the way for the governance of the colonizers. In order to do this they also infused their highly superstitious religions. Which indigenous community has accepted the possibility of virgin birth?


Gramsci speaks of organic intellectualism. How many ‘Dalit’ intellectuals have some importance to this dimension in liberation politics? In an effort to gain some space in the dominant intellectual world many ‘Dalit’ scholars only develop a bookish intellectualism. These books have been written by dominant forces. How many intellectuals sit at the feet of Adijan women and men and draw their intellectualism from them. Dalitology was written drawing its ideas and inspiration from the illiterate masses of Adijan people. I have given only a philosophical framework to the content. It is my strength. Organic intellectuals within the Adijan community largely remain unnoticed and unrecognized. That is the tragedy of India.


Dalitology is a document against all forms of superstition and that’s why all fellows belonging to dominant religions and some egotistic ‘Dalit’ leaders have hounded me out. It is a rational document par excellence. I am a proud rationalist. They have stopped talking to Jyothi and me and have prevented others from talking to both of us. If they are rational they should argue with my position and tear me into pieces. I am ready for that. There is a bloated ego at play and not any search for truth. But there are also some people who have invited me for discussions on Adijan spirituality and mysticism.


By converting to Buddhism, Babasaheb and his followers have only taken the Adijans back to Hinduism through the backdoor.  It is a mark of their inability to recognize the internal strength of the oppressed Adijans. At the back of their head may be a sense of worthlessness both of themselves and of the poor Adijans. It is a dishonest effort to indulge in mass conversion of Adijans by making use of one’s leadership position.  Ordinary Adijans are illiterate but they are very wise. They are able to see through the game plans of conversion. They can also clearly see that it’s a Mahar effort at establishing their superiority over other sections of Adijans.


Yes, Adijans should come out of Brahminism and Hinduism. There will be no development as long as they are within the Hindu fold. However, converting to other religions is not an alternative. Reclaiming their own history and culture will be the surest way of getting out of superstitions and other religions. This is what some of the liberated indigenous communities have achieved in many parts of the world.


VB: How relevant is Annihilation of castes? Do you believe in it or you believe that Dalits were never part of the brahmanical culture. If not then the reality is they are part of brahmanical cultural practices. What should they do to come out of this fold? Do you think the necessity of them to delink themselves from the caste structure?


MC: Let us simply acknowledge the truth that annihilation of caste is a wild goose chase. Caste can never be annihilated and there is no need of doing it. Even if it has to be annihilated why should Adijans waste their time and energy on this useless exercise? It’s one of the worst intellectual deviations that Babasaheb has provided to many half-baked ‘Dalit’ intellectuals. They can hold on to this log of wood all their life while the rest of the community can drown in the flood of caste cauldron. There is no problem with people clinging on to their caste. Let Brahmins be Brahmins, let Kshatriyas be Kshatriyas, let Vaishyas be Vaishyas and let Shudras be Shudras. Let them not come on the way of Adijans being Adijans. Let there be a constitution to govern all these communities.


Constitution should be agreed upon and be supreme in the instruments and mechanisms of national governance. Let each caste community govern itself with its culture and norms. Let there be no interference in the way other communities govern themselves. Let there be a constitution to protect people from dominant intervention in their internal affairs. Let all people abide by common laws as envisioned in the constitution. I am speaking of a new constitution when this truth of differences is accepted in national life. Only then shall we be able to show the door to people like Modi and to forces like RSS. No single culture should be allowed to have a sway over the formation and implementation of the constitution. This is possible if we have the PR system. Do not threaten the Brahmins and do not play one caste against another. Let there be negotiations on peaceful c-existence. Let there be constitutional provisions to bring to books those who deviate from negotiated positions. This is a big thesis I have proposed in my 1100 page volume Dyche.


VB: Many ideological movements happened. You have been an ideologue and a philosopher on the ground. You also provided us the new dimensions of the proportionate electorate system through CERI which were hitherto not known but we have not seen you any of the meetings which claims to set political agenda for Dalits and Bahujans particularly BAMSECF or RPIs ? Any particular reason ?


MC: Educating Indian citizens on PR system is going to be a long drawn out process. We are such mental slaves of the British that many of us don’t want to get out of the cozy comforts of colonization. Our role model of national governance is the colonizer. PR system requires Adijan parties to come together as a coalition in order to meaningfully share power both within and outside. Many ‘ego’ based ‘Dalit’ Political leaders are not prepared for this. They are happy with the crumbs that fall beneath the dining table of the Dives. Who can demand a leader to give up his ego? He will not live if he gives up his ego. PR system provides the space even to ego-based leaders to come together to the negotiating table as an Adijan coalition. Such a coalition can get into the business of negotiating with other political parties for their legitimate space to grab power to govern at the national level. Instead, many of them are happy with the one or two seats that they gain by joining the coalition under the FPTP. I remember once when Thirumavalavan negotiated with the DMK for seats to contest, Karunanidhi did not give his party even one seat to contest. Then Karunanidhi said that Thiruma had a place in his heart. They design their political game under the presumption that ‘Dalits’ are sentimental fools. Let it be any ‘Dalit’ political party. They are the biggest betrayers of the Adijan people. They allow their ego to be the primary platform of political negotiation and not the future of the community.


Each Adijan community must set its political agenda. All such agenda must be brought to the negotiation table internally. A collective Adijan and national agenda must be evolved and negotiations with other parties must take place on the strength of this agenda. A national collation with other political parties can evolve through such negotiations. This is a long-term process. It needs a strong commitment not only to the process but also to the ultimate liberation and development of the Adijan people.

If other caste communities, Adivasis and religious minorities also follow this path, then India will have not only the largest democracy in the world but also the best democracy. India has only a sham democracy at the moment.  


VB: How is a Dalit Bahujan Aadijan unity possible? What could be the programme agenda? Do you think that the left parties could be part of such a structure if not the mainstream left then those who claim to work for the Dalits ? Left had made lots of mistakes in past. Their leadership rarely gave representation to Dalits but then those claiming the Dalit Bahujan leadership too form the part of the powerful castes only. How do we come to a common minimum agenda to defeat the divisive communal brahmanical forces in India?


MC: I think I have already answered this question except the one on the comrades. I have emerged from a Marxian school of thought though I did not join any communist party. Am happy that the comrades both in the CPI and the CPM see the value of this now. Such acceptance comes after many years of isolation only because I work for the Adijans. The ground for their rejection was that I was taking support from donor NGOs for my work. When I think of the comrades in India I remember the Maoists in Nepal who struggled hard to usher in true democracy to their land. Adijans have no issues with Indian communists and it is unfathomable why they think that any liberation work among the Adijans is an impediment to the class ‘revolution’ that they want to bring about. It shows their insecure position.


Now we should be happy that most communists have come out of this insecurity and are ready to join hands with Adijans to usher in a new society. Unfortunately though, they are quite lethargic after the rise of Modi. Often it makes me think whether they have found at last their bed-fellow and want him to continue in the saddle.



At my level, I have convinced many ‘Dalit’ leaders that they should sit at the negotiation table with the comrades and hope that better light will come soon. I believe that ideologically they are the only force on Indian soil that can play a constructive and creative role in changing the face of Indian democracy. But I remain with the confused question: ‘who will bell the cat?’

Posted 1 week ago by Manuski: Humanism for all

Labels: Adijan culture Ambedkar Dalit Bahujan culture Dalit history Dalit Pachayat Movement Dalitology M C Raj Vidya Bhushan Rawat


Nov. 7, 2016


One of the realities that haunt human mind is the question of matter. Can matter be eternal? Can the earth be eternal? Can the planets be eternal? There must be a creator, who is the cause of the universe. Human mind creates an essential tie between the cause and the caused. This is a clear limitation of the human mind. The limitation becomes evident when the same human mind says that god, the creator is eternal. He lives in timelessness. He is the cause of everything that exists. Note that the creator of the human mind is not gender neutral. When Moses asks god his name the voice in the Bush says, “I am who am”, the YHWH. This “I am who am” existed much before the universe was created, that is much before the cause caused anything. Therefore, there was a time when the cause did not cause anything or can we say that the cause caused itself? If the cause caused itself it comes within the perimeter of time. Our question is: How can a cause exist without causing anything? By implication, creation would mean that there was a time when god did not create anything, both material, and living. This will mean that there was a time when the cause was not the cause. Or to put it differently, there was a time when the cause became the cause. Becoming necessarily implies subjecting oneself to the boundaries of time.

This will bring us to the question of being and becoming. For the sake of argument, we can say that till he became the cause god was just being, “I am who am”. But there was a time when the being became. Time separated the being without being the cause and time marked the becoming of the being. Therefore, the cause that is supposed to be only ‘being’ became a cause within the framework of time. If that is the beginning of time what was the ‘being’ that existed? Can we say then that time started when the being ‘became’ the cause? Only this will legitimize the premise that the being existed in timelessness. Will the end of the universe then mark the going back of the cause to a state of being? If we sat yes, then we have to agree that the being causes the becoming and also causes its end. The simple conclusion we can draw is that the universe could not have been caused within the framework of time. It will be a simple and contradictory speculation to think of a cause within the framework of time. Such a contradiction comes because of an unhealthy mixture of faith with reason.

The cause has caused everything that exists, says faith drawn from Scriptures of respective religions. But the question that remains unanswered is which cause caused space and time. It is quite evident that space cannot be caused by another cause. Space is unlimited without any boundaries. Space is eternal. The material universe is inseparable from space. Space is neither a cause nor is it caused. Time is not caused either. If one says that time is caused it becomes self-contradictory. The moment something is caused it falls within the boundaries of time. If the cause is beyond time, the act of causing falls within the boundaries of time. Or we must say that being the cause and the act of causing are timeless. In such a case we shall be compelled to acknowledge that space and time are simultaneous to the cause.

That the cause could have been caused by human limitations becomes evident when the male gender is ascribed to the creator. If human mind has caused the cause (supposedly) then the cause itself falls within the framework of time. The cause (god) as timeless is a contradiction in terms. If the act of causing is timeless then what is caused also becomes timeless. In this case, there will be many eternal beings. Therefore, it will be good to leave the question of god to the realm of beliefs of limited human feelings and intellect. It is preposterous on the part of human intellect to even try to assert the existence of something that is timeless. It will be good also to give up the discourses, the premises, and syllogisms of timelessness. Something that is bound by time cannot adequately dwell on timelessness.

Is the existence of the Universe, of matter, of living beings etc. all that are ascribed a temporary existence bound by time or are they eternal?



If the Universe is caused by the eternal cause said to be a god, the human mind will land up in yet another contradiction. This cause is not material. It causes something that is contrary to its nature if it causes matter. Can the immaterial cause something material including the cosmic waves? Some matter is a necessary prerequisite for causing even the immaterial waves. Cosmic waves are not produced from a total vacuum. Waves require a material base. Let us think of light waves. The planet sun produces light waves. Sound waves are produced from something material. Even lightning and thunder are caused by matter. These, in turn, are the cosmic waves. Likewise, there are thought waves and feeling waves. Thought and feelings are not caused in the vacuum. They need the material base of a human body to come into the cosmos was waves. 

Can space exist without matter in the cosmos? To say that space can exist without matter may be rationally possible but it will be equivalent to saying that nothingness can exist by itself. Non-existence is nothingness. To say nothingness exists will be equivalent to saying that non-existence exists. Only human mind can produce such irrational premises. Even faith requires a material base. There is no question of the existence of faith without a body. Faith is embodied and conditioned by the body in which it lives. It is founded not on its own authority but on the authority of the word that is spoken by another. This ‘another’ enforces his word through the authority of the divine. This is not the same as the development of one’s thought emerging through the thought waves and feeling waves already moving in the cosmos in the process of entropy. Before going into it let us resolve the issue of the emergence of the word in time. In our limited understanding word is a form that is given to a thought or a feeling. Unless there is a thought or a feeling there is no need for the existence of the word. Word is a derivative and not a cause.

‘In the beginning was the word’ implies that there was a beginning in time. The next question is what existed before the beginning. What caused the word? Is it possible for the word to exist without a thought or feeling? Does the Bible mean an unuttered word? If so, does it mean a thought? Since the word in the Bible belongs to the realm of faith it will be good to leave it at that, as faith often does not lend itself to reasonable rationalization. Separating faith from reason will open up the horizon of honest exploration into the cosmos. But the point for understanding is that even faith requires a material base, that is the body. The Greek word for word is logos. It would also mean knowledge. Many schools of thought have attached an absolute value to knowledge. They have held the position that knowledge exists by itself. They call it the absolute knowledge.

Anything that does not have an origin in a matter can only be an illusion. Space, for example, exists only in as much as it is perceived by human intelligence. Time exists only in as much as it is perceived in fragments by human intelligence. If there is no matter both can only be illusions. If there was no sun and no moon human intelligence would not even know what time would mean. Human intelligence takes its origin in the material base of the human body. All material things exist even if the human intelligence does not perceive them. But time and space exist only in human perception. Living beings other than those endowed with human intelligence are not conditioned by the illusions of time and space. They just live their lives and disappear. Like time and space, knowledge too requires a material base for its existence. The material base for knowledge is the human body. Knowledge as a block existing away from matter can only be an illusion. 

The conflict between schools of thoughts on matter and spirit is very ancient. It has been going on in human society endlessly. It is a manifestation of the weakness of human beings to acknowledge its limitations. There have been many schools of thought that have attached absolute value to knowledge. The same schools have also attached absolute value to the non-material spirit or the soul as some would call it. Some schools have gone to the extent of calling matter and the material world as illusion and only the ‘Supreme Soul’ as truth. Like, time, space, and knowledge, truth is also a matter of human perception. It does not exist except in the body of human beings. Truth, to be true has to exist in a material base. If there are no human beings, there would not be any truth and knowledge. Human beings can only imagine truth. The existence of time, space, truth and knowledge differ from matter to matter. Different human beings in different parts of the world perceive truth and knowledge in different ways. When we say matter as the basis of the existence of these, we mean to say that the material foundation is the human body. This is the axis of human existence. Just as the Cosmos has a material existence, all living beings have also material existence in their bodies.

The Cosmos is in timeless, eternal movement and change. The life of the cosmos is this movement. Living beings do not have an existence outside of the cosmos. Their existence is an essential part of the cosmic movement. In fact, living beings are only a tiny part of the cosmic movement. In as much as living beings are part and parcel of the material axis of the cosmos they are also eternal. What then is the Cosmos? Can it be comprehended? It will be preposterous for human intelligence to unravel the mysteries of the Cosmos. Unfortunately, the human intelligence has tried its best to understand and even bring the Cosmos under its knowledge regimen. The Cosmos has been continuously reminding human intelligence of its limitation as a tiny part of the Cosmic movement.



Cosmos is the entire truth of existence and we can never know the fullness of this truth. Human intelligence is only a part, a tiny part, an insignificant part in the entire Cosmos. The Cosmos exists and can exist without human beings and without human intelligence. The axis of cosmic movement and change is not human existence. When human intelligence says that there was a cause that caused the material world to existence one must have the reason to think if human intelligence has the final authority on the cause and the caused. It accepts creation, that is, that human intelligence itself is caused. If it is caused then it cannot be the final authority on the cause. Only its imagination can lead to an assertion that it is central or even superior to the cosmos. By the limitation of being created, in its own saying, human intelligence cannot be the axis of the Cosmos as it was placed in the Cosmos at the point of creation. The Cosmos existed much before human intelligence was created. This is what the holy books of religions say and philosophers of religions have explicated. If human intelligence is the axis of the existence of the Cosmos it could not have come at a much later time in the life of the Cosmos. To be the axis of the existence of the Cosmos human intelligence should have been as old as the Cosmos itself. In our word, it should have existed without a beginning. But human intelligence, for all that we know of it, does not accept this position. 

It brings us to the question of what is Cosmos. It is not a collection of material world such as the planets as it is commonly projected and understood. Cosmos is the cumulative existence of everything all matter, visible and invisible. Human intelligence perceives and understands both but creates a dichotic existence of visible and invisible matter. Cosmos did not come into existence within any time frame. Cosmos is. Human intelligence often struggles with acknowledging its inability to comprehend this truth about Cosmos. It’s the height of its incompetence in communicative interaction. Competence in communicative interaction would mean being honest about truth and accepting it. Being incompetent in communicative interaction would mean an effort at camouflaging the truth and circumventing it to suit one’s hidden needs. I remember vaguely reading this in Noam Chomsky.

Cosmos is the cumulative essence of waves that keep the material planets in balance and keep moving all over space. The Cosmic waves existed eternally. They have no origin in time. Cosmos is not a person. It is the truth of existence and existence is an illusion just as truth is. Cosmos is neither a quantity nor a quality. It is all that can be, that is and that will be always. Cosmos has no boundaries. Like time, a boundary is something that is created by human intelligence. For example, it is the limitation of human intelligence that has artificially created boundaries on the earth dividing it into many nations. The earth itself is not made of nations and national boundaries. It is the incompetent communicative interaction of human beings that creates boundaries. Human intelligence has no right to define the Cosmos nor to explain it. We try to understand the many facets of the Cosmos only because of our limitations and not because of our intelligence.

Before we proceed to understand Cosmic movement and change through waves we need to expatiate the dichotomy in philosophers. They are human beings with all limitations of matter. In their inability to understand supra-terrestrial happening, philosophers created the existence of supernatural powers. It is a manifestation of their inability to understand and their incompetence in communicative interaction. Whatever they failed to understand, they pushed to the realm of the supernatural. The religionists or theologians joined them and explained it away as a super being, existing somewhere in the heavens who guides the destiny of the cosmos. We need to understand that there is no heaven in the cosmos. There can be no up or down in space. Human intelligence is made to look up towards heaven. For those living on earth, the other planets can be imagined to be up while they may actually be down. The truth is that they are neither up nor down. They are just in the cosmos, in space. It is the limitation of human intelligence to have created two worlds, namely, the material world and the spiritual world. We call this the dichotomy of philosophy. This is a glaring example of the incompetence in communicative interaction. Instead of dealing with the truth of the cosmos that is one, they created two worlds to suit their philosophical incompetence. The two worlds are often at loggerheads both philosophically and theologically.

Can there be a dichotomy of matter and spirit? There cannot be a spirit without matter. This is the truth and mystery of the cosmos that the spirit emanates from matter and needs matter for its evolution. The Thought is said to be spiritual. In the dichotic view of the philosophers, thoughts can be either good or bad. Whatever they are thoughts do not belong to the realm of the matter according to them. They also strongly establish that brain is the seat of thought. That is why the origin of Brahmins is attributed to the head of Brahma where the brain is located. That is why Buddhism also says that knowledge is the ultimate nirvana of human beings. Let us ask a simple question. Can there be a thought or knowledge without the brain? While philosophers and theologians do not agree that there can be a thought without brain let me assert that thought and knowledge belong to the realm of the entire body and not only to the brain. The human knowledge that attributes knowledge and thought to the brain actually runs short of both. We need to explore in depth whether thought and knowledge, said to be non-material and invisible can exist without matter.

Nov. 7, 2016

Time is Eternal 


Time is eternal. Therefore, time has no beginning and no end. Time is a fractionalization of a cosmic movement and change that are eternal and that maintain the balance of life wherever it exists. They also maintain what is generally understood as mere matter. It is a limitation in human understanding to divide time with many convenient fractions. Such fractions do not exist objectively. They exist only in the human mind. Sun and the moon are important elements of determining time by humans. But both and moon do not determine time by themselves. They are in an eternal cosmic movement that is cyclic. They just keep moving. Humans characterize it as a change of day and night. There is no day and night for the sun and moon. This is the objective truth of the cosmos.

That time is relative, was brought out by an illiterate man in India in a discussion. The context was the visit of a scholar from the Netherlands to one of the villages in Tumkur District. In a discussion with some village leaders, he asked the question: “What is development for you?”

Pat came the reply: “For me, development is to have a watch like yours.” 

There was sarcasm on the face of the scholar. He asked with a wry smile: “So, if you have my watch will you have developed?” 

The illiterate man replied: “I think you are stupid. When I say that my development is to have a watch like yours, I do not mean to ask for your watch. Some years ago, we used to find time looking at the sun and the moon. During that period, the village landlord used to come and wake us up at 5 in the morning to take us for cheap labor in his land. We just had time to wash our face and rush to his land. When we came back it used to be 6 in the evening. We had time only to wash our body, eat and go to sleep. Our life has changed now with the intervention of some of our leaders. The landlord is not able anymore to come and wake us up. We wake up when we want and go to work only after having had a good breakfast and we come back by 5 in the evening. We do not follow the time of the landlord. We follow our own time. This is what I meant when I told you that I must have a watch like yours. It is our attempt to overcome the landlord’s concept of time that he imposed on us.”

Needless to say that the scholar was stunned to silence for some time!

It is a very positive thing that humans have organized their life around the cosmic movement for a clear understanding of what they should do when. What exists is the cosmic movement and our movements along that line. Humans have named it ‘time’ for a collective understanding and organization of their own movement.

Scientists are making many attempts to determine the age of cosmic elements such as the earth. It is equivalent to determine the origin and end of space. Only human bodies have beginning and end as they are constructed. Space and time that are essentials of the cosmos do not have beginning and end. Life, in particular forms, has the limitation of beginning and end. But existence is eternal. There can be no diminution and expansion in space.

When the Bible says that in the beginning was the word and the word was God, it is destroying the foundations of understanding the truth of the cosmos. There can be no beginning in the cosmos. The cosmos always is. There is no past and future in the cosmos. These are the limitations of bodily existence. As limitations, their existence is objective but not beyond being limitations of bodily living. It is such limitations of understanding that make some lovers say, even euphemistically that they existed for millions of years together. The truth is that they exist eternally without beginning and without end. Forms of existence and living may change but there is no beginning.

The present form of existence is derived from something that has no beginning and no end. The cosmic balance is maintained through cosmic waves, which are as young as the cosmos itself.  The youth of the Cosmos comes from the fact that time is just one moment. It is a human weakness that counts time in fractions. Liberation of human beings is closely linked to their ability to merge with this timelessness of the cosmos. Other beings in the cosmos including the material ones have already merged into the cosmos, as they do not count their existence in fractions of time. They are simply there in the cosmos.

In a way of saying humans can say that they have existed for millions of years. Some lovers romantically convey that their love is millions of years old. Some say that they knew their lovers from previous births. Euphemistically this can be accepted. But the truth is all beings exist in their present form at a moment. They exist eternally in different forms and their existence is congruent with the existence of the Cosmos. Birth and death are human categories. Nobody is born and nobody dies. Their forms change and they keep changing along with the Cosmic movement and change. Nothing new can come into the Cosmos. There can be only the movement of the Cosmos and there is nothing new in it. Thus, the story of creation in religions is a blatant manifestation of human ignorance born out of an arrogant appropriation of knowledge.

Just imagine that there is a New Year. Can anything be new in time? It is just another cyclic movement of the Cosmos with a day and night. Likewise, we can say about the month and the week. The Cosmos just keeps moving and changes related to these movements take place. There is nothing like a new year, another month and another week. These are the arrangements human mind makes in order to create more problems for humanity. Human beings create the beginning and the end of time that do not exist at all. Then they create something beyond time in order to perpetuate themselves as they are in the present form. If you read Paul’s writings in the New Testament you will see that first he said that no one would die. Jesus would come and take them to the world beyond time. Jesus did not come and many started dying. They also raised questions about the authenticity of Paul’s pronouncements. Then he legitimized himself by saying that even if they died Jesus would come and raise them from the dead. Jesus did not come. He extended his argument tamely to ‘the end of time’ when Jesus would come to raise all the dead and sit in the judgment seat. This is a blatant attempt to overcome the Cosmic cycle of movement and change. The Human mind wants to cling on to the present form of existence whereas the Cosmic cycle has a different design. Forms of existence will change and this is necessary to keep the planet in their positions intact.

There can be nothing beyond time and nothing beyond space. The idea of beyond is in itself contradictory when applied to time and space. Both have no boundaries to even apply the concept of being beyond. The idea of beyond time and space has to be simply dismissed. One can say beyond oneself as the human body is a boundary.

Oct. 29, 2016



GS 1059 Rural Education for Development Society (REDS)

REDS Road, Shanthinagar, Tumkur




Case Study -1 

REDS CDM- Solar Lighting for Adijan and Poor in Tumkur District


Case study on -  Solar Lamps Contribution in Income Generation





Date: 24/1/2015    




 Pemmanahalli village, Pavagada Taluk, Tumkur District                                    

A case study on solar lamp beneficiary in Pemmanahalli village! The reason for selecting Lakshmakka, a resident of Pemmanhalli village at Pavagada taluk is because her family benefited by the CDM solar lamp of REDS that helped them in contributing 55% of the amount in constructing their house recently. Lakshmakka is illiterate and in her family, there are 5 members, which includes her husband and 3 children. Lakshmakka is a beneficiary of the solar lamp from the year 2012 and she is also a member of Adijan Panchayat from the last three years. She has become a council member of Adijan Panchayat.

REDS took solar technology to remote areas in the year 2012 and implemented in 3 Taluks of Tumkur Districts.

CDM installed across Tumkur 

Lakshmakka  shared that she attended a big meeting in Pavagada when Appaji and Ammaji (Raj and Jyothi) went to the taluk to prepare the people on the need for their financial participation in the implementation of the solar lamp project. She came to know that solar technology would come through Adijan Panchayat and replace the kerosene lamps and also would improve the quality of life of the Adijan People.

In 2012, solar lamp was installed in her house. She is proud that from that day they are relieved of dangerous kerosene-based thick and dark smoke. She informed that they have had many advantages after installing solar lamps. The entire family is very proud that they have constructed a house where 55% of the money was from savings from the solar lamp. They used to spend Rs.150 per month to buy kerosene only for the kerosene lamp. They now save that money every month. They are able to work comfortably in their home with solar light. Even their children couldn’t study for long under kerosene lamp because of the smoke that emanated from the kerosene lamp. They said, “We are happy as a family since we got this solar light." They are able to move around safely at night. The fear of insects has been reduced. Their health problems have been reduced.






Difference %

Standard of Living

Was using kerosene for  light

No House

Basic needs were difficult to fulfill



Solar lamp

Constructed House

Able to fulfill their basic needs






They used to suffer more with health issues

Use to go to hospitals because of diseases


Health problems reduced

Money spent for medicines earlier now saved





After 6 pm they were struggling to study

Lack of concentration because of dim light



Studying hours Increased

Improved Academically

Increase in concentration




No light outside

Insecure feeling


Feeling secured

Poisonous Insects do not come because of light



Financial situation

Less Income

Spent more on Kerosene


Income Increased

Savings from Kerosene



Working hours





More Productivity




Constructed House from income generated by using solar lamp

Lakshmamakka’s family shared a special benefit that they are getting from the solar lamp and also they are very proud to share this information with everybody. They have constructed a new house a few months back by spending Rs 90,000 to build this house and in that 55% of the money was earned with the use of the solar Lamp. How was this much money generated? She and her family used to earn their living by peeling the areca nut. They could not peel more in darkness. After they got the solar lamp installed they were able to peel areca nut for longer hours in the evening. Formerly they used to peel areca nut till 7 pm. Now it has extended to 10 or till 11 pm. Some times they worked till even 12 pm. After solar lamp was installed their working hours increased at least by four hours on average. The more arecnut they peeled the more income they would earn. They invested Rs. 50000 for house construction only from the additional income generated because of the solar lamp. They have spent a total of Rs 90000 to build their house. Lakshmakka also informed that her husband works as a daily wage coolie and earns Rs. 150 per day. Besides the expenses of the family, they used to save part of his earning, savings from kerosene lamps and earning from arecnut. It was a collective determination.

 Now they are happy that they have good light in their home. Sometimes when there is a power cut in the village they have the solar lamp in their homes and the caste people have to use kerosene lamps. After the improvement in their standard of living, other caste people who were looking down upon them earlier, have started respecting them and have started treating Adijan people with dignity. Other caste people have started coming to their house. The untouchability practices also reduced drastically. Since REDS distributes solar lamps also to all caste people there is greater equality in the village. Therearei peace and dignity in the village after the implementation of the Solar lamp project in Tumkur District.

Solar Lamp Help Children Study

Lakshmakka’s children, Rakshitha is studying in the 5th standard and Hariprasad in the 8th standard.  Both of them are very happy when they shared about the benefits of studying better after the arrival of solar lamps in their house. Earlier they were not able to study after 6 p.m. but now they can study till 10 p.m. When they don’t have to study, they help their parents in peeling of areca nut. Their marks in school have increased from 55 to 80% and their parents are very happy.    

Conclusion: With the help of adequate and proper lighting system they were able to gain many benefits economically and socially. They are much thankful to REDS, Appaji and Ammaji who have bought solar lamp to their homes. When they opted for solar lamps they did not anticipate that it would help them to construct a house one day. They have also visited Booshakthi Kendra several times. A Happy family indeed!